A limited response to JNU Professor Nivedita Menon’s statement “Hindu society must be one of the most violent…society in the world.”

In the article “JNU Students Abuse Lady Professor For Proposing Hindu Courses, Burn PM’s Effigy as Ravana” dated Oct 19 (yesterday), one statement piqued me enough to document some of the more objective portions of my mental responses to it.

The statement within double quotes in the title is an excerpt from this video in which Nivedita Menon can be heard saying it. She goes on to say that ‘surely, nothing in the world can compare to the deep-rooted violence and…intransigence of the caste system’ and that this ‘is something we can proudly claim India has contributed to world culture.’

Varna, as found in Srimad Bhagavad Gita (Chapter 4, verse 13), which is not meant to be based on birth but determined by an individual’s “Guna” and “Karma” (for a detailed explanation of Varna in Srimad Bhagavad Gita, listen to Swami Chinmayananda here or for a shorter read, see statement attributed to Swami Tejomayananda here; for  Varna in Vedas, read Swami Venkataraman’s Caste Hierarchy And Discrimination Not Sanctioned By The Vedas), is hardly what Menon has referred to as Caste system – a system, systematised really by colonisers and plunderers of the then Bharat (see Insight #3 here, based on GDP trend-data during the period when those colonialists were at helm), who are also referred to sometimes by the name of the language Menon is heard speaking in that video. That Varna has been misinterpreted and misused by people from its own tradition is true, just as it is true that there are people from the same tradition who have not misused it.

To vilify the caste system is one thing (and the human suffering and human rights violation that has resulted from it has the author’s condemnation too), but to brand Hindu society ‘as one of the most violent’ on that basis alone is preposterous, offensive, violence-inducing and hardly objective; and to include caste system in India’s contribution to world culture – I repeat, India’s contribution* (even if meant sarcastically) – made  me wonder:

Who really is this lady, Nivedita Menon?

What drives her, to live in India, to teach Indian students, in an Indian university, on a payroll funded by Indians’ (tax money), and still make such statements about India’s contribution to world culture and about Hindu society, a (still) not insignificant part of world (In my mind, the words ‘India’ (of today) and ‘Hindu’ cannot be used interchangeably without being incorrect and insensitive, yet she seems to be doing so, atleast in that video and it perhaps was in all probability, a slip)?

Since she appears to have taken it on herself to brand Hindus ‘as one of the most violent’, I request her, or any objective human mind, Hindu or otherwise, to reconcile her statement, atleast the ‘one of the most’ part, with the following data from ‘The Great Big Book of Horrible Things – The Definitive Chronicle of History’s 100 Worst Atrocities (2012)’ by Matthew White (who is neither Indian not Hindu).

According to him (on page 554):

  1. ‘ONE HUNDRED DEADLIEST MULTICIDES’ got ‘455 million killed overall’.
  2. Of that 445 million, ‘IDEOLOGICAL MULTICIDES’ (32 in total: ref. p. 549) accounted for 142 million
  3. This is further broken down as ‘RELIGION: 47 million’ (13 of the 32 above), ‘COMMUNISM: 67 million’ (6 of 32) and ‘RED-WHITE CIVIL WARS: 26 million’ (6 of 32).

In the chapter titled RELIGIOUS KILLING (p. 107-112), on page 111, under the heading ‘In God We Trust’, is included:

If we categorise the entries in this list according to which religions came into conflict, we get this simplified breakdown:

Christian vs. Christian: 9

Muslim vs. Christian: 3

Christian vs. Jewish: 3

Eastern vs. Christian: 3

Jewish vs. pagan: 2

Muslim vs. Chinese: 2

Muslim vs. Muslim: 2

Human sacrifice in India: 1

Human sacrifice in Mexico: 1

Ritual killing in Rome: 1

Muslim vs. Hindu: 1

Manichaean vs. Taoist: 1

Then, Judaism and its offshoots, Christianity and Islam, devised a worldview where a single all-powerful god required a strict, uncompromising beliefs rather than tangible offerings.

Does Nivedita Menon have anything to say about Abrahamic religions and of Communism, based on the data included above? Where is her ‘one of the most violent’ societies in the list above and can she objectively justify the usage of ‘one of the most violent’?

On p. 529, where White ranks the 100 deadliest multicides, one finds the following:

1. Second world war (1939 – 45): 66,000,000

2. Mao Zedong (1949 – 76): 40,000,000

4. Famines in British India (18th – 20th centuries) – 27,000,000

11. Conquest of the Americas (after 1942) – 15,000,000

23. Aurangzeb (1658 – 1707) – 4,600,000

The above five data-points total to 152.6 million deaths. Should Indians and Hindus start looking for nationality  and religion (respectively) in this figure, Nivedita Menon? Can you objectively reconcile the result of such an enquiry with your statement?

* The hyperlink  to ‘Lecture-12- Highlights of Science in Ancient India – Part 1-IIT Kanpur’ by Michel Danino is, of course, a limited articulation of one aspect of Ancient India. Read Shri Aurobindo’s “A Defence of Indian Culture” for more.  Read Rajiv Malhotra’s Indra’s Net for a contemporary articulation of Santana Dharma’s ‘multi-dimensional, holographic understanding of reality.’

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7 thoughts on “A limited response to JNU Professor Nivedita Menon’s statement “Hindu society must be one of the most violent…society in the world.””

  1. It is so sad to see people unfairly bashing India and Hinduism.
    Without question some people have taken advantage of varna or caste system.
    Many other societies and cultures and religions have caused a lot more human suffering than that has happened or still happening in India.
    Strong constructive criticism should be very welcome for better changes, but not hateful bashing.
    Positive contributions of India are very well known to many people around the world.
    Let’s be fair and look at things in reasonable manner.
    It is a shame some people are so biased and blinded by their agendas.

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  2. Megh: You are doing an amazing job of countering these diabolical agendas. May Bhagawan and Bhagawati give you all the strength, wisdom and wealth to sustain it. Thanks to you and your family. Jai Shree Raam!

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  3. Dear Sir,namaste. I enjoyed reading your factual counter of her fallacious arguments. However I am perplexed about one question at all times. If vedas and our other religious texts did not sanction the caste based discrimination but was exacerbated during the british colonial era. This point seems unclear. Was there no evidence of caste based discrimination before the british came and that they only took advantage of Indian society using the divide and rule ? Or is it possible that the british only gave this a formal face and definition , to the practices which they saw when they colonised us .

    On the top of Nivedita Menon and her ilk , as a student studying in Shanghai and trying at all times to correct the stereotypes and misconceptions people hold about India(from popular media) , I can say that having one voice and unity on the history and culture of India is becoming very difficult to establish. While I try to bring about an authentic expression of what India stands for, my classmate from JNU pursuing PhD here is as anti-national as he was while in India. He does not leave one stone unturned to diss and criticise India, talk about caste atrocities, about how Modi is a killing machine. Sometimes I feel all my efforts go down the drain, When I reflect back I feel people who come from JNU type of institutions are only carriers of bad blood against India. They get good scholarships and invited to panel discussion all over because of the JNU brand and this gives them enough license to carry on their tirade. Nivedita Menon is one of those and ofcourse what she teaches in classroom and outside in activist sphere is what people like this fellow take back..

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